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POV-RED: poverty reduction



Dear All,
 
I am back on line again after spending a much time away, first at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre and later at a UN Economic Commission for Africa panel in Lusaka.
 
The WSF has developed into the biggest 'network of networks' in the world, and saw a lot of excellent discussion lead by important social movements. Officially, of course, bodies like the UN ECA are also working on integrated strategies to address poverty in underdeveloped and poor countries. I am hopeful that our working group will eventually contribute to such processes.
 
In the past month, Jeffery Smith, Michael Binder and Male Oliveros have taken forward our discussion, and I hope the rest of the group is planning to get into the discussion soon.
 
I'd like to agree with the view that a distribution of assets, particularly income-generating/ social protection assets, is crucial to improving economic growth (as in Taiwan example given), poverty reduction and coping strategies. The extremely skewed distribution of assets by race in South Africa explains the extremely skewed racial distribution of poverty in the country. Further, in Africa, the poor's lack of assets means that people are very vulnerable to climatic shocks and bad harvests, and have little else to fall back on during such bad spells. Addressing this underlying distribution of assets, something that is ignored in neo-classical economics (which focuses mostly on productivity), is therefore a crucial strategy. This points to the need to bring distribution mechanisms and redistribution back onto the policy agendas.
 
I'd like to also agree that education (also an asset) is crucial. And has one of the participants has stated, privatisation is a factor. Indeed education, in most countries mostly a publicly delivered basic service, is generally being privatised or commercialised through rising fee-for-service models. This tends to entrench the education gaps. It would be interesting to hear how some poor 'countries' (like Cuba and Kerala - a state in India) managed to dramatically improve education indicators, and achieve a Human Development Index far exceeding their GDP per capita. 
 
Thus far our discussion has focused on an exploration of asset and capability poverty. We have not had much discussion on ways to address income poverty, which is a subject of growing debate in the more developed countries (for example, the issue of basic income). Our focus on assets and capabilities may be because poor countries have as much to do to create wealth as they have to distribute it. That said, there are middle-income countries which have considerable resources and high levels of inequality (another issue that we need some discussion).
 
I'd like to again suggest that all of these strategies we talk of will not be implemented in a power vacuum. Certainly land-owners will not easily agree to part with land, if history is any guide. The same will be said for any other asset holder, where that asset is resulting in a disproportionate share of wealth and income accruing to its owner. It would be interesting to hear more about how instances where asset transfers were achieved. 
 
Thus far, there has not been much to suggest that ESOPs could be a major part of a poverty reduction strategy, though they clearly have an important part to play in the formal sector. 
 
Finally,  I am attaching a NALEDI report on "Poverty and economics", written in 1998. It was commissioned by the coalition of trade unions, churches and NGOs in South Africa for the "Poverty Hearings", a civil society initiative that coincided with the beginning of SA's "Truth Commission" (into apartheid). The report's conceptual approach is similar to what we have been discussing.
 
best regards,
Ravi Naidoo
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Ravi Naidoo [mailto:Ravi@naledi.org.za]
Sent: 18 January 2003 01:24
To: 'povertyreduction@cog.kent.edu'
Subject: POV-RED: poverty reduction: two questions that you could ponder over

Dear All,
 
Thanks for the inputs.
I have drawn two sets of questions based on the contributions thus far. These questions may serve as starting points as they are broad enough to let us branch out to other areas that you may feel are important. I suggest in addressing these questions you do so from a relatively empirical perspective, where you put forward 'evidence' (i.e. good examples) to back up your view. Of course where there is no good example you may still put forward a purely theoretical argument, though I strongly suggest you address the issue of agency (who will make this happen and how) since we all accept that any proposal cannot start from a clean slate, but rather 'from where we are'.
 
[Ravi Naidoo] Mark Levin asked: What role can ESOPs play in poverty reduction in developing countries. Neither Ravi Naidoo nor Juan Guillermo Espinosa's papers to the COG DC Conference were very optimistic on this score. The current structure of employment and ownership in developing countries was identified as a major constraint to the development of ESOPs. Does this mean that ESOPs are (and will remain) a "rich country phenomenon"? Are there good examples to contradict this view  
 
Michael Binder suggested that poverty could be reduced through seven paths including 'evolutionary' ones. This presents us with an opportunity to explore those examples where 'evolutionary' capitalist economic development has succeeded in reducing what Austin Muneku referred to as 'multi-dimensional' poverty.  In which developing countries has this happened? What were the necessary preconditions for this development? (historical, institutional, govt interventions, etc.) And, what role did ownership distribution strategies play in this? How could such strategies be replicated in currently developing countries? 
 
Please through a couple of paragraphs talking to each of these questions or feel free to suggest a few succinct questions for discussion. Please note I will be not responding to this group until the end of January, as I will be attending the World Social Forum in Brazil.
 
cheers!
Ravi Naidoo
 

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