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Dear All,
Jock Coates wrote that he joined
Ownership in order to read and learn interesting things about progressive
economic ideas. Good.
However, I would be
fascinated to know why Jock did not avail himself of the offer to learn more
about the endogenous (as defined) loan movement now making excellent
progress in universities (with much more progress to come). In
short, the movement is about an interest-free money supply --
interest-free loans for public capital projects, wide private ownership,
small/start-up businesses and green capital projects. It goes much wider
than the capital ownership as usually discussed on the Ownership elist and,
among other things, creates a basic income and gives back control of an economy
to the society it is within (as opposed to having the society being ripped off
by outsiders).
Yet Jock showed no overt
interest in the biggest capital ownership movement to date, even when he
was advised on the easily accessible sources at present on the internet.
Why?
And exactly what does Jock mean
by "progressive economic ideas"? Presumably, if he does not avail himself
of opportunity given on this elist, he has some ideas of his own to put
forward. Let's see them.
Rodney Shakespeare.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 12:00
AM
Subject: Re: OWNERSHIP: Ownership
Moderator
Can anyone please give us any good reason why any of us ought
to stay around on this list, which most of us, I suspect, joined in order to
read and learn interesting things about progressive economic ideas?
Or
are there really only half a dozen of us on this list who do not stoop to this
sort of thing.
This is CLASSIC "off-list" type stuff - moderator or no,
common courtesy says take this to one side and don't disturb others with it.
As are most of the rantings that have been flying around of late. It is wholly
unedifying. I cannot imagine anyone "dabbling" in these progressive ideas
coming along here and wanting to stick around more than five
minutes.
Congratulations one and all who have made this a thoroughly
nasty place to "hang out". I thought, and still perhaps dare to hope, that I
had found a fantastic resource on all sorts of interesting issues, and a well
stocked electronic library as well. To Dan & Co - the current troubles on
this list are, I would think, diminishing the name of KSU and your great
group. If it were me, I'd have found an alternative host for these squabbles
ages ago and washed my hands.
We have 99% of the rest of the world to
fight and win over on most of these issues and ideas. It seems to me at the
moment like a bizarre rerun of Monty Python's "Judean Peoples' Front"
scene.
Outraged of Oxford
Jock
PS - as an IT person in a
university I can vouch for how much of a pain in the butt it is to get
constant requests to tinker with something as out of the mainstream of our
work as Majordomo mailing lists. The attitude here is, if you can't do it
yourself, you can't do it. Unless it is causing problems for the rest of the
university's IT infrastructure.
On 12 Jul 2005, at 23:29, Rodney
Shakespeare wrote:
Dear Vice-Chair
of The Party of Two (Alan Avans),
[...]
You and Ryan really ripe ones, aren't you? "Righteous
anger" you wrote, you little prig. Ha, Ha, ha.
Rodney Shakespeare
----- Original
Message -----
From:
Adavans@aol.com
Sent:
Tuesday, July 12, 2005 10:09 PM
Warning:
This is a very angry post. For those of you to whom my righteous
anger is aimed let me recommend that as you read, please imagine the voice
of God being directed toward you. Then imagine that you are sinners in the
hands of an angry God. I've frikkin' had it with a couple of jerks around
here.
[...]
Regards
to those whom regards are due
The
rest of you to whom any regard is not due (Rodney Shakespeare for
example), don't let the door hit your fanny on the way out.
Alan
Avans
Prairie
Village
KS
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