Re: OWNERSHIP: Re: Proposal to Enlist a Moderator for the Ownership Group

[John Hermann <hermann@picknowl.com.au>]

There is no doubt that Bill Ryan makes use of
censorship when it suits his convenience.  A considerable number of
my postings have been deleted from the social credit list previously
without any explanation being given. -- JH
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At 09:22 PM 11/07/2005 +0100, Rodney Shakespeare 
wrote:
> Dear
> Keith,
>     You are way out of touch
> with the situation. 
>  
>      In the last three
> weeks or so Ryan has deleted roughly 14 (fourteen) of my emails.  I
> have around eleven or so deletion messages.   What is more Ryan
> SAID he had deleted ten of my messages.  I thought he had deleted
> one message over and over again (his enraged finger stabbing ten times on
> the button).  But, no, it was ten separate deletions of ten
> separate messages, and Ryan said so.  Needless to say, these
> deletions are in practice deletions from the social credit archives.
>  
>     Moreover, I have made
> several statements to the effect that Ryan has deleted hundreds of emails
> and he has made no contradiction.  Why should he?  After
> all,  it is only a statement of the truth. I estimate around two
> hundred or more but, of course, we will all be pleased to hear from Ryan
> himself the exact figure.  
>   
>     You and COG and those Social
> Credit members of this elist whose reputation for reasonable behaviour is
> now very much on the line, really do have to face the fact that Ryan
> deletes hundreds of emails from his own elist yet demands the freedom to
> say what he likes on Ownership and have it remain in the archives. 
>  
>     The fact is your email, as
> it stands at the moment, seems to be a defence of Ryan's completely
> contradictory and hypocritical position and, faced with that
> contradiction and hypocrisy, you have nothing effective to
> propose.
>  
>     And COG  is getting
> itself into a frightful mess.  As this situation gets worse and
> worse, the chances are increasing that it  will suddenly feel
> impelled to act and find that the only viable option it has is something
> drastic like shutting down the whole list or something.  When
> situations get out of hand, they get out of hand -- and something has to
> be done. 
>  
> Rodney Shakespeare
>  
> PS I don't propose a hair-splitting
> moderation.