Re: OWNERSHIP: CORRECTION--To Norm Kurland: Sieg Heil!

["Norman G. Kurland" <thirdway@cesj.org>]

Ryan, I operate openly so I have nothing to fear.  Your background and credentials are hidden.  What do you fear?  Any comments made about your character are in response to your abusive behavior.  And they accurately describe your nefarious, uncivilized and poisonous treatment of participants you disagree with.  No one in the ownership movement over the last 40 years has ever accused me of resorting to insult.  That's not my style.  It is yours.  You have driven many people out of the ownership discussions and you deserve to be ostracized from the group.  You have not contributed to any discussion of ownership and you should resign. 

Incidentally, there is nothing deceptive in using the JBM trademark in our business, since I invented it and have written extensively on the subject and have given classes and lectures on the subject of "Justice-Based Management" all over the globe.  I believe in the moral principles and methodology underlying this innovative approach to corporate management. So why should I hesitate to identify with it in my professional work?  And I'm not at all ashamed of earning money when I contribute a valuable service to my clients. 

You'll note that, while our Equity Expansion International, Inc. web site at www.eei-consultants.com identifies and has a link to our all-volunteer Center for Economic and Social Justice's web site at www.cesj.org, CESJ does not include EEI in its "Other Useful Sites" button on the CESJ home page.   While EEI contributes part of its profits to the all-volunteer CESJ, each has its own functional relevance to the Just Third Way revolution and we considered it inappropriate for the non-profit to support a profit-making company that is competing with other consultant groups in the ownership field.  Thus, I feel no conflict of interest among my different roles in different organizations.  Each is compatible with my commitment to changing the money and credit systems of the world and corporate governance to empower the non-rich and give them an equal opportunity with the rich, as Lincoln said, to become rich.  And I hope that some of those who read my responses to you will become curious enough to go to the CESJ and EEI web sites to see how outrageous your charges are.  In that regard, you'll inadvertently do some good for the world.

Which reminds me, are you some rich kid who has never done a lick of work in his life?  Can you say that you've ever done anything that has resulted in helping non-rich people to get rich.  I'm proud to say my work has helped put over 10 million Americans in that position, and without that work there would be no COG or Ohio Center for Employee Ownership.  While I am one of the harshest critics of abusive ESOP (and on the point that ESOPs under present laws are vulnerable to abuse, I agree with you), one of the reasons I will no longer take on a client that does not adopt Justice-Based Management in installing an ESOP is to structure corporate governance systems to minimize the risk of any abuse.  But I doubt if you have ever worked as a professional, so you probably would not understand how to build justice into the corporate world. 

Again, I'm surprised that Wally Klink and Vic Bridger has not put you on a leash.  Perhaps they don't yet realize how harmful you've been to spreading respect and understanding of Douglas' social credit ideas.  And I'm still hopeful that John Logue and Dan Bell will wake up to the damage you are doing to their reputations.

Norm Kurland

William B. Ryan wrote:

Then it is you who has something to worry about, Norm,
inasmuch as it is you who has committed the libel
repeatedly--a little matter of things like comparing
someone who takes issue with you to "terrorists hiding
in caves," "satanic," "poisonous," "snake," etc.,
which would be libelous per se, if it were not for the
fact that when doing so, you come off as a raving
idiot who is off his medication, and are to be pitied.

Might I also remind you that the reckless accusation
of libel is itself libelous, when done in a public
forum?

And most significantly, you still haven't explained
why the ostentatious display of the self-awarded "JBM
mark" on your for profit Website is not a deceptive
trade practice.


--- "Norman G. Kurland" <thirdway@cesj.org> wrote:

  

Libel is not protected speech under the First
Amendment, in case you 
didn't know.

    

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