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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] RE: Developing an economics of ownership (2)
Dear Ownership Group Please do not hesitate to raise questions with me even if you have not read all my postings or articles available through the COG library. Different people come at things from different perspectives so I need to learn about these new angles to test my ideas. Also, I may be able to learn how to better explain my ideas. I hope other members of the list can forebear my patience in this regard. If I do not answer quickly or adequately I would welcome others to try and do so as I cannot always be available to respond and it would interesting and useful for others to offer their explanations. Michael Harrington asks "So, how do we know what is procreative or degenerative beforehand?" The answer is we cannot know beforehand. This is the whole point about making investments under uncertainty. It is why Table 1 in my 1975 book identifies "Procreative Assets (Expected)" which divide into "(Actual)" "non-viable" and "viable". (Table 1 is reproduced as Table 2 near the bottom of my "New Strategies" article at http://cog.kent.edu/lib/turnbull1/turnbull1.html ) Some other comments on the observations made by Michael: 1. Michael said "I think for valuation purposes financial assets are comparable to real assets" I do not think it is appropriate to compare financial (paper) assets with real assets because physical assets usually wear out and so have limited operating life for this reason, or for many other reasons such as reduced prices for their output or in the words of David Ellerman it could arise from an unfavorable "array of prices". The more productive any physical asset is the quicker it is likely to wear out. 2. Michael said "When I think about deferring consumption" - to invest. The need to defer consumption to invest is not always needed or relevant. Consider the case of the Yemeni fisherman building his boat in the off season in my "New Strategies" paper and the "round about method" of capital formation described by Harold G. Moulton in his 1935 book on "The formation of capital". Refer also to my Op Ed article (in my posting at http://cog.kent.edu/archives/ownership/msg00031.html) describing how savings to finance investment can be created from the savings generated by physical assets which increase productivity, i.e. procreative assets. That is, savings are created from the investment not the other way around. As this method does not reduce consumption a virtuous "confluent" process of development is established as explained in my "New Strategies" article http://cog.kent.edu/lib/turnbull1/turnbull1.html and in my Op Ed. "Theorists confuse savings debate" 3 Michael said "If this investment is valued ex post as surplus profits and taxed or appropriated, my diversification strategy has been contravened, no?" Agreed. However, the situation is much worse than Michael suggests because: (a) diversification is not possible with limited risk funds in many specific assets and (b) because governments typically tax investment returns before the investor recovers sufficient cash to recover the cost of the investment! This latter problem arises because accountants report taxable profits, when from the investors point of view, there are only paper profits. This is because accounting doctrines assume that a viable "array of prices" remain sufficiently into the future to recover all funds invested! This makes accountants de facto "fortune tellers" even if they use what in their double speak they use what they describe as "historical" cost accounting! Take for example an investment of say $10M for a gold dredge or $100K for a bull dozer which produce a 40% Earnings Before Depreciation Interest and Tax (EBDIT) on the investment each year for its estimated useful life of five years. This means that if there is no cash drains of either interest payments or taxes it will take 2.5 years to recover the cost of the investment, ie 40%+40%+20%=100% to reach an investment "break even". If the price of gold halved or the bull dozer fell over a cliff and operations had to cease without any scrap value available after only two years then the investor(s) would have recovered only 40%x2=80% of the funds invested and so suffer a cash loss of 100%-80%=20%. However, if a five year straight line depreciation rate is used to create an annual notional "cost" of 20% of the investment value p.a., the taxable profit will be become 40% -20%= 20% (assuming no debt to create interest). If the tax rate is 50%, then taxes will be 50%x20%=10% of total investment value p.a. to create a 10%x2=20% cash drain over the first two years. The return OF the funds invested reduces from 40% p.a. to 30% p.a. so when operations cease at the end of year two the investor(s) have only obtained 30%+30%=60% of their funds back! It would take 3.3 years for the investors to obtain a cash break even. That is 1.8 years or 72% longer than when no tax was payable during the payback period! Return ON funds invested is obtained for only 1.7 years. If the gold dredge was financed entirely by equity as the only asset of a publicly traded company the directors would have reported a 20% before tax profit in the first two years. However, when operations then ceased, the investors would have discovered that they had actually made a 40% cash loss after the business was wound up and the funds returned to stockholders! Investors might want to sue the directors for false profit reporting even if they used conservative historical cost accounting! Diversification, which is a concern of Michael's is not normally a practical option in the situations considered or for the farmer he mentioned. Investors in assets which rely on market prices in non-monopoly situations rarely speculate on obtaining any cashflow returns after 5 years to justify making an investment. Big projects with some market dominance may extend to 10 years in the most socialy and politicaly stable environments as noted in my "New Strategies" paper. Infrastructure projects with a protected cashflow can go out to 30 years or more as demostrated by the many Build Own Operate and Transfer (BOOT) projects in Australia and elsewhere. In the case of the gold dredger or bulldozer, the investors would recognise that their investment would wear out, it could breakdown, the business opportunity might evaporate, it could be subject to technological obsolence, social, political, environmental or other type of disruption or be subject to a non-viable "array of prices", etc. etc. So the investors would not want to rely on obtaining any casflows after 5 years to provide the incentive to invest. That is, the investors use a five year "time horizon". Because there is no limit to human greed, they would still want any cashflows available after 5 years. However, these are not required to provide them with the incentive to invest so any cashflows after 5 years by definition becomes a surplus profit. The investors in the gold dredger or bulldozer anticipate making at least a 40% EDBIT to return cash of 40% x 5=200% of the investment cost before tax over the five year period to create a taxable profit of 100%. Tax at 50% would provide the investor with a 50% after tax surplus as set out in the Table below. This return provides sufficient incentive to bring forth the investment. The Internal Rate of Return (IRR) using Discounted Cash Flow analysis is 15% after tax. Now let make the economists metamorphical assumption, mentioned by David Ellerman, that "we have a can opener" in the form of a ruling from the tax authorities that they will provide investors with an offer they cannot refuse. The offer is that the government will change the basis for paying tax from the current accural system to a cashflow system on condition that the investor give up all ownership rights to their investment and transfers it to the stakeholders after five years. It is a free choice for the investors to select. If the stakeholders included the machine operators, then they obtain a very real incentive to repair and maintain the machine to maximise its operating capabilty, operating life and so residual values. The operators become "industrial gleamers" who pick over the fields for residual produce after the farmer has harvested her crop. By improving mainternance, the operators would reduce interruptions to production and so could increase the investors returns. It could also stop the bulldozer driver allowing the machine to drop over a cliff in the second year as considered above to create a loss for the investors of 40%. The appropriation of surplus profits to stakeholders can create a win-win outcome for investors, operators and the economy while Democratising the Wealth of Nations. This provides the basis for my proposals for a Community Investment Code (CIC) for the WTO to counter their MAI initiatives. If the investors chose to accept the offer of the tax authorities to change the "rules of the game" they would only incur tax on their cashflow returns AFTER they had recovered ALL their funds invested. This would minimise the possibility of a cash loss and its extent. With a cashflow system, no tax would be due on a debt free investments yielding a EBDIT of 40% pa on funds invested until after 2.5 years. With a 50% tax rate the investor would then pay tax of 20% for the next 2.5 years. Because of the time value of money, the Internal Rate of Return (IRR) increases from 15% to 18% (ie. 20% higher) even with the same investment surplus value of 50% as shown in the table below: Tax & accounting systems Investment cashflows System Accrual Cashflow Break even 3.3 years 2.5 years Investment -$100 -$100 Return year 1 $30 $40 Return year 2 $30 $40 Return year 3 $30 $30 Return year 4 $30 $20 Return year 5 $30 $20 Total return $150 $150 Surplus $50 $50 IRR after tax 15% 18% Year 6 surplus $20 $20 profits after tax for stakeholders If there is a basis for the business to exist after five years and if the equipment has not worn out, and if the "array of prices" persists, etc. etc, the after tax cashflows under both systems after five years would be the same 20% as no depreciation tax shelter would remain in either case if the 40% EBDIT could be maintained. All the 40% would then represent surplus profits with the new stakeholder owners obtaining 20% and the government the other 20%. It is only by considering the operating life and ex-post cashflows of productive assets that we can understand how wealth is concentrated and how the care of productive assets can be a couple of orders of magnitude in value more important than labor costs and labor productivity which was the focus of some recent remarks by David Ellerman. If operators properly cared for and maintained productive assets, their life may be extended for many more years. The values created for the community by this means can be hundreds of time greater than the values created by operating the machines more efficiently on a day to day basis which is the concern of industrial economists. My own experience as a time director of the third largest manufacturer of custom designed industrial gears in Australia showed how gear manufacturing machines written off over five years more than 20 years ago could increase in value far more than inflation. These machines then produced surplus values in excess of three times their original cost at current values. However, accounting information cannot identify surplus profits and may not even reveal the current value of these machines written off more than 15 years ago! And finally Michael, the farmer is not foolish, just unlucky. In our existing system of independent atomistic enterprises it is a matter of the survival of the fittest. Economic growth arises from the fittest in the community creating more value than is lost by the losers as described at the end of my last posting. David Ellerman understands more than most other people in the world how the risk of entrepreneurship can be socialised from his study of Mondragon: "The Socialization of Entrepreneurship: The Empresarial Division of the Caja Laboral Popular", Industrial Cooperative Association, Boston, 1982. Because Mondragon democratised the ownership of surplus values and profit it provided a way to make economic development self-financing without external ownership, control or debt. There are alternative ways of achieving this objective. The utility of the concept of procreative assets is that it allow us to analyse these alternatives. It provides a basis to custom design different institutional structures to protect the stability of the currency and the financial system while also allowing a community or nation to introduce self-financing democratic economic development. But it is no use considering these opportunities until the methodolgy of the cashflow framework used by modern business people is understood. This posting has already got too long. Regards Shann At 04:55 AM 30/10/1999 , you wrote: >Dear Ownership Group, > >I would like to respond to Shann's comments below with a few questions to >help reconcile my own thinking. I must add that Shann has volumes of >writings that I have tried to catch up with but have not had the time to >digest sufficiently, so bear with me. >First, I am curious about this notion of surplus, especially surplus >profits. >Second, I am trying to think how we distinguish between procreative and >degenerative assets ex ante. > >My perspective is colored by my background in finance and portfolio >management, but I think for valuation purposes financial assets are >comparable to real assets in that they are claims upon those real assets and >the cashflows associated with them (financial assets are considered passive >as opposed to procreative in Shann's schema). > >When I think about deferring consumption and investing over time, my >decisions are governed by expected values and probabilities that are best >represented in a risk/return ratio. I diversify to manage the unsystematic >risk associated with any singular investment (or buy insurance if I can't >diversify). > >The logic, as we know, is if one investment in my portfolio pays off big, it >will cover any potential losses from other investments. If this investment >is valued ex post as surplus profits and taxed or appropriated, my >diversification strategy has been contravened, no? If a priori I know that >my gains will be constrained while my losses are self-limited, I would >imagine that the set of feasible investments will greatly shrink. Why would >I assume the risk? This is why an onerous capital gains tax really >constrains investment choices. > >So, how do we know what is procreative or degenerative beforehand? i.e. >before we see the positive or negative cashflows? This seems consistent with >David's objection to valuation based on a particular array of prices at a >moment in time. >If a farmer invests in tools and seed, plants a crop and there is a drought >and he loses the farm, was he foolish to invest in the first place? was the >machinery degenerative? am I missing something obvious? > >from this point of view, uncertainty is a critical factor in decision >behavior, > >Regards, >Michael Shann Turnbull P.O. Box 266 Woollahra, Sydney, Australia, 1350 Phone: 02 9328 7466 office; 02 9327 8487 home Fax: 02 9327 1497 home & office. Mobile 0418 222 378 Outside Australia, replace first "0" with "61" after international access code Life long E-mail: sturnbull@mba1963.hbs.edu http://www.mpx.com.au/~sturnbull/index.html
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