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Norm, the same thing happened when I questioned the
centralized
approach on a Technocracy Inc. list. What was kind
of neat was
that younger members would e-mail me privately, and
agree with
my position. For the long-time members,
I think years of opposition
had made them excessively rigid. I like to
keep an open mind,
and use language as most people understand it, as
long as it does
not detract from the actual meaning of
concept. This is the
democratic approach
I think.
Again, none of this is surprising.
Previous to this list, I was well
aware of the social credit stance on both world
government and
political parties.
Because of the social credit emphasis on
decentralization, the
rigidity was a bit much I
thought. That said, as one long-time social
crediter in Edmonton put it, while agreeing with an open-minded
approach, that there
is indeed more than one way to arrive at a just
money system, and
one in which a citizen's dividend becomes available
to all.
rgds
Dan Parker
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:09
AM
Subject: Re: MONETARY: Fwd: Re Parker, Be
back next Monday
Dan Parker,
Sorry I have not had any time over the last few days to get into your
exchanges with other social crediters. I have been preparing for a very
important trip to the University of Dayton in Dayton, Ohio and will not return
until Monday, November 4th.
I admire your independent position and generally take your side against
those who seem to be mobbing up against you. Stay in there because you
are not alone. Please note that none of your opposition have anything
constructive to say about the subject of broad-based capital ownership as a
policy for achieving the widespread dispersion of economic power and more
equitable distributions of capital incomes. Remember that the forum is
being sponsored by the "Capital OWNERSHIP Group." Doesn't that reveal
much about your opposition? If they ignore the economic and political
relevance of private property in the means of production as an alternative
means for closing the purchasing power gap in the world, why in God's name are
they so rattled at those who take an alternative position? And while
I agree with many of social credit's goals, particularly on money creation and
its relevance to closing the purchasing power gap (unfortunately, by
disconnecting each consumer's income from the his productive contribution), it
astounds me that the social crediters cannot see that money creation can also
connect every person to capital incomes. How
to Save the Social Security System, also http://www.cesj.org/homestead/reforms/other/savingsocialsecurity-nk.html.
For the logic of binary economics (which, unlike social credit, does not
ignore concentrated capital ownership), see A New Look at
Prices and Money: The Kelsonian Binary Model for Achieving Rapid Growth
Without Inflation. , also at http://www.cesj.org/binaryeconomics/price-money.html.
Yes, Dan, there are many people in the world who spend their lives
attacking others. They criticize other ideas without specificity and
offer no better alternatives, or alternatives that show no evidence of gaining
political respectability. That's not my game and it does not seem to be
yours. Again, stay in there.
Be back next Monday.
Norm Kurland
Center for Economic and Social Justice
Web site: http://www.cesj.org
"William B. Ryan" wrote:
--------- Forwarded Message ---------
DATE: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:18:13
From: "Vic Bridger"
<socred@ecn.net.au>
To: "William B Ryan"
<william_b_ryan@lycos.com>
Hi William,
Below is a response to Dan Parker. I have been bust and did not have time
to respond before. I think this will be the last to him. I have sent it to
you and you can forward it on if you wish as I am not a subscriber to the
list.
Dan Parker -
"C.H. Douglas was a monetary reformer. He proposed
significant reformations of the money system".
Vic Bridger -
C.H. Douglas was not a monetary reformer. Douglas castigated those who
called themselves by that name. If Mr. Parker had read sufficient amounts of
C.H. Douglas he would be aware of that. The question then is, "Has Mr.
Parker read or understood what C. H. Douglas was saying. If not then no more
be said. If he has read what C.H. Douglas said on monetary reformers and
about the term "monetary reform", and still adheres to the claim that C.H.
Douglas was a monetary reformer then he is deliberately attempting to
mislead.
C.H. Douglas did not propose significant reformations of the money
system. What he did do was to point out the flaw in the financial accounting
system and make suggestions for breaking the monopoly of credit by the
banking system and measures to overcome the deficiency of purchasing power
resulting from the flaw in the accounting system. Again the same questions
as above apply.
Dan Parker -
"Recently, I quoted Charles Ferguson's (the person who coined the term
social credit) description of a global society."
Vic Bridger -
Charles Ferguson may have used the term social credit but did not invent
the words. His use of the two words together should not be construed to mean
that he was the founder of the Social Credit analysis, the A+B Therorem, the
underlying philosophy and the necessary policy to address the problems
facing society as detailed by C.H. Douglas. C.H. Douglas was aware of
Ferguson and quoted him. However the genius of C.H. Douglas exposed the flaw
in the financial accounting system and established what has become known as
Social Credit.
If it is Mr. Parker's intention to suggest that Charles Ferguson (it must
be, otherwise why mention it) was the founder of the Social Credit Movement
it is mischievous and misleading and apparently designed to support his
ideas of a world government. As I have said previously this is the
complete antithesis of Social Credit philosophy which promotes the
importance of the individual over the group. Decentralisation against
Centralisation which is what a world government would be.
If Mr. Parker wishes to pursue his endeavours he should do so under the
banner of a monetary reformist and cease using the term social credit. If he
believes Charles Ferguson to be the champion, then promote his ideas and
stop attempting to muddy the waters by pretending to supportive of Social
Credit as per Douglas. That is unless he has another motive for offering
misleading comments.
End.
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