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Mondragon: Shann's Thoughtful Comments



Dear Shann,
 
Brilliant!!  Some tentative responses below.  I am looking forward very much to reading your work.
 
I have set out these ten questions below with my comments:

1.1 Can Mondragon continue indefinitely with co-operative democracy for the Basques but non-co-operative ventures outside the Basque Country?

I would be great pity if the MCC did not walk the talk and replicate itself internationally. It would support arguments that its business model is culturally specific and/or it controllers are just as opportunistic as any other capitalist.  Indeed you are so right.  There are already internal arguments about this issue within the MCC.  As for all co-operatives the lure of the capital based way is hard to resist but many Basque co-operators are resistant.  There is no doubt in my mind that having one internal policy and one external one will erode the system inside the Basque Country too.  Walking the talk is, in the long run what will protect internal coherence that gives the MCC so much of its power.  Our challenge is to encourage the MCC in its struggle because we need them so badly.  There is much to be achieved by global co-operation and mutual self help.  If the co-operatives of northern Italy and the Basque Country do not play a significant leadership role the possibility of co-operatives being more than on the margins of the corporate global economy is itself marginal. 

1.2 Can any regional or national co-operative business or set of businesses compete with no transnational linkages?

The answer is a resound YES for social infrastructure projects that are now typically being privatized like freeways, bridges, tunnels, power generation, communication, water supply, etc.  Governments should not allow such essential services with natural or created monopoly privileges to be owned and controlled by alien interests. You are logically correct.  Yet her the privatization mania has not yet subsided even in the face of multiple Enron.  One area that may benefit from international linkage for even these firms is technology.  I was at a wind energy meeting yesterday and clearly the MCC's technology would be of great benefit to those wishing to make a great leap into wind power.  Is this the making of a co-operative joint venture?  MCC technology and local fabrication, installation and maintenance of wind energy co-operatives? 

1.3 What form can these linkages take that is consistent with co-operative values and principles? 

For other types of business that may need economies of scale or scope then this can be obtained through establishing relationship networks as illustrated by the Mondragon Groups or a Japanese Keiretsu.  For details refer to my article on A NEW WAY TO GOVERN at  <http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=310263>.  I will look forward very much to reading your articles and will be interested to see if they will fit (I suspect yes) into the international Masters of Managing Co-operatives and Credit Unions we are developing.

 1.4 What is a "co-operative joint venture"?

There are many examples in the electronics and bio-tech industries where business may both cooperate and compete at the same time.  But they are typically not inclusive to allow the participation of all stakeholders.  To achieve inclusiveness they would need to adopt an ecological form of ownership and control as provided by what I call Ownership Transfer Corporations in my book Democratising the Wealth of Nations.  <http://cog.kent.edu/lib/TurnbullBook/TurnbullBook.htm>. OTCs  convert capitalistic firms into nested network of multi-stakeholder mutuals that create a Mondragon like architecture but is more dynamic because change in ownership is built in to maintain inclusiveness as stakeholders change over time. 
Same comment as above.

1.5 What is A "co-operative strategic alliance?"

Refer to 1.4 and 1.5 above

1.6 What is An "international co-operative merger"

I can imagine and describe such an arrangement but I would not encourage it as it is likely to combine the more unattractive features of mullti national firms.  Much better to establish networks of strategic alliances between locally owned and controlled multi stakeholder firms like that which would be created by OTCs.  Yes I agree.  Having said that the design of those alliances to achieve the needed business results will require some innovative thinking.

1.7 How will co-operatives in Northern Italy link co-operatively to Mondragon and to our consumer co-operatives in lets say North America?

Network alliances would be my recommendation as this is consistent with how they both link locally to other local firms.  Again I agree but they are happening very slowly while competitors are moving very fast.  I suspect there are several reasons and much exploration and discussion needs to take place. 

2.1 How do 'consumer' based co-operatives begin to convert to [multi] stakeholder co-operatives?

This questioned is answered in my paper 'The competitive advantages of stakeholder mutuals’, presented to the 12th Annual Meeting of the Society for the Advancement of Socio-economics, London School of Economics, July 9th, 2000, <http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?cfid=196284&cftoken=90592070&abstract_id=242779>  and published in a shorter form in in The New Mutualism in Public Policy, ed. J. Birchall Chapter 9, pp. 171-201, Routledge, 2001, London. 
 
This I will also read with great interest.  Clearly you and likely others have given these questions a great deal of thought but the thinking is not reaching co-operative managers.  gain, hopefully the Masters program will drive the use of research and thought.

The question is also answered in my public policy booklet being launched today in London by the New Economics Foundation on A New Way to Govern: Organisations and society after Enron.  This publication was financed by a consumer co-operative, the
Oxford, Swindon and Gloucester Co-operative Society that wants to convert to a multi-stakeholder cooperative.  The pocket book was also commissioned to identify alternatives to privatisation and public/private partnerships that are not operating satisfactory or have failed like Railtrack.
Interesting!  I have done some work with OS&G around this issue including workshops with some staff groups.  It has been linked to Marketing Our Co-operative Advantage.  The MOCA linkage is that you can only market what you have created and if you have not made mutual cause with the workers you have severely limited what you can market and your effectiveness.  The bigger the co-operative difference the greater the co-operative advantage plus the benefits of increased productivity that comes from regarding the workers as colleagues as opposed to resources.

2.2 Who is studying attempts to do this? [Stakeholder mutuals]

I do not know but I would like to when people try.

2.3 Legislation that allows it?

I do not believe that any changes in legislation would be required in the UK, US and Australia if corporation law was used instead of cooperative specific laws.  No changes in legislation is required to create OTCs in these countries.  It is simply a matter of members changing their corporate constitution.  Alas, there are real pitfalls to using corporate law and not having good co-operative law.  Take a good look at the new federal co-operative act in Canada.  One thing I did learn in Australia is that co-operative law there is very weak.  It was the single most consistently complained topic and clearly some reform is needed as is also needed here in many of our provinces.  Having been invloved in incorporating several stakeholder co-operatives, a co-operative stakeholder approach recognized in law is a very definite asset.
 
I found you comments very useful and hope I will be able to entice you to be involved in some way in our masters program.  We need first rate thinkers if we are to provide the kind of learning opportunities co-operative managers need to move co-operative performance from mediocre to dynamic.


Co-operatively,
 
Tom
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