Re: Mondragon: Re: Mondragon

["Mondragon Unibertsitatea \(HUHEZI\) - Fred Freundlich" <fred_freundlich@huhezi.edu>]

Thanks, Dan.  I'll keep trying to encourage people.
Fred

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Bell" <dbell@kent.edu>
To: <mondragon@cog.kent.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Mondragon: Re: Mondragon


> Estimado Fred,
>
> Se puede participar en Espanyol tambien.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Dan Bell
>
> At 06:57 PM 7/2/2002 +0200, you wrote:
> >
> >Dear Race,
> >Luther is a tough act to follow.  Though I also read recently that the
> >population of Germany declined by one-third during the politico-religious
> >fighting of the Reformation and Counter-Reformation, so maybe I ought to
> >avoid Luther's act altogether.  ... In any case, a big part of the
problem
> >here is simply that not enough people speak (let alone write) enough
> >English to participate.  Time demands are another problem.  We'll see.
> >Regards,
> >Fred
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <mailto:race@netspace.net.au>RaceM
> >To: <mailto:mondragon@cog.kent.edu>mondragon@cog.kent.edu
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:13 PM
> >Subject: Re: Mondragon: Re: Mondragon
> >
> >>
> >>Dear Race, Chris and <mailto:mondragon@cog>mondragon@cog:
> >>Lots of, uh, challenging short-term deadlines in Mondragon.  Lean
> >>production, you know.  Hope to add my two cents to the discussion when
> >>things slow down a bit at the end of the month or in August.  I was just
> >>scratching out a handful of "key" factors I think have been in play in
> >>Mondragon in recent years and the list quickly grew to a dozen or
> >>fifteen.  Reminds me of the comment made by a Canadian who visited the
> >>co-ops a year or so ago.  She said, "Whenever we ask you a question
about
> >>Mondragon, your first response is:  'It's complicated' or  'Yes and
> >>no'  or   'It depends.' "
> >>
> >>Regards,
> >>Fred
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >>From: <mailto:Hsq95@aol.com>Hsq95@aol.com
> >>
> >>To: <mailto:mondragon@cog.kent.edu>mondragon@cog.kent.edu
> >>
> >>Cc: <mailto:lr@ownershipassociates.com>lr@ownershipassociates.com ;
> >><mailto:ff@ownershipassociates.com>ff@ownershipassociates.com
> >>
> >>Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 1:04 AM
> >>
> >>Subject: Re: Mondragon: Re: Mondragon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Race -
> >>
> >>I believe that through past correspondence you have acknowledged an
> >>acquaintance with my partner Fred Freundlich who teaches on the faculty
> >>of Mondragon University.  He and his colleague Luxio Ugarte have a long
> >>standing theoretical and practical interest in the democratization
issues
> >>you describe as they are being played out in Mondragon.  Those questions
> >>are also a major focus of our work here at Ownership Associates in ESOP
> >>and cooperative companies that are our clients.
> >>
> >>If you aren't in touch with Fred and Luxio on these topics, you may want
> >>to consider doing so (ff@ownershipassociates.com).  You can see for
> >>yourself if our work at Ownership Associates has anything to contribute
> >>to these questions.  My partner Loren Rodgers who takes the lead on our
> >>Ownership Culture Survey (OCS) work and other responsibilities is nearly
> >>finished with a re-tooling of our web page that will provide easier
> >>access to people who wish to make use of our work.  This note will
> >>hopefully spur him on to get the revised web page done in the coming
week.
> >>
> >>Loren will be presenting on some of that work at the Eastern States
> >>Worker Cooperative Conference along with Tim Huet and others July 10-21
> >>at the University of Maryland.  I will unfortunately be tied up at a
> >>competing conference in Philadelphia most of that weekend on behalf of
> >>the Mondragon inspired Sweat X project.  I may be in there that Friday
> >>night.  Are you planning to attend?
> >>
> >>Finally, in my opinion Tim Huet and his colleagues in the Bay area have
> >>gone further than anyone else in this country in digging in to the
> >>details of how to make Mondragon style cooperative structures work.  As
> >>far as the gray hairs go though David Ellerman, Robert Oakeshott and
> >>probably yourself still set the standard.
> >>
> >>Chris Mackin
> >>www.ownershipassociates.com
> >
> >Dear Fred
> >
> >Thanks for your message. I'll look forward to your Luther-like nailing up
> >on the Portalon of your fifteen or so propositions of Mondragonian
> >ambiguity in August or sooner. Meanwhile, as you will see from my
reponses
> >to Chris Macken and Shann Turnbull, one aspect of the mission of COG's
> >Mondragon page seems to me to be to encourage as many industrial
> >relations, human resource management and industrial democracy scholars
and
> >practitioners as possible to apply their minds to the question of how the
> >excellence of corporate governance in the Mondragon mould can be
> >replicated at the shopfloor level, and it is very much my hope that
people
> >on the COHG page list who know of prospective sources of advice will
alert
> >them to the discussion. Correspondingly, there is a need for respondents
> >within the co-operatives and I wonder if you have any views as to how the
> >interest of prospective candidates can be engaged? Best wishes, Race
> >
> >--
> >
> >
> >Dr Race Mathews,
> >Senior Research Fellow,
> >Government and Governance Unit,
> >Faculty of Business and Economics
> >Monash University.
> >
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> >Australia.
> >
> >Phone/Fax: (03) 9826 0104.
> >
> >
> >
>
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