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Re: HOMESTEAD: Ray Carey's Democratic Capitalism



Thanks for this perspective, Shann. I don't recall that Carey mentions this figure of 15% but stock options are a principal topic in his withering attack on "ultra-capitalism" in the latter part of the book that I have not covered adequately in the review.
 
Keith
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Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:31 AM
Subject: RE: HOMESTEAD: Ray Carey's Democratic Capitalism

In reference to the comment by John Médaille about CEO's, they have acquired 15% of all shares of corporations traded on the NYSE according to BusinessWeek, 2002, Online Special Report, 15 April, as posted at http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_15/b3778012.htm

 

This was quoted in my paper presented at the Australian Stock Exchange last year that can be downloaded from: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=546942 and contained the following:  

 

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While economists may concern themselves with “excessive” profits, the concept of surplus profit will not be found in economic textbooks.  Economists are not aware of surplus profits, because unlike excessive profits, accountants are not required to report them.  Excess profits are reported in a given accounting period but surplus profits typically require consideration of a number of accounting periods.  Surplus profits can exist with or without any excessive profits and could possibly arise with the investor reporting an accounting loss! .

 

The result is that investors get overpaid with surplus profits without them being measured, reported and so without anyone knowing!  The extent of corporate investors getting overpaid is indicated by the degree to which corporate profits can be siphoned off from publicly traded companies to Executives.  BusinessWeek (2002) reported that CEOs had allocated to themselves options that represented 15% of all the shares issued on the New York Stock Exchange.  In 2004, the value of all NYSE companies was $US12.9 trillion, so the average value obtained by the 2,800 or so CEOs was around $US640 million each .  NYSE companies have become what I describe in Section 6 as “Ownership Transfer Corporations”.

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Regards

 

Shann Turnbull PhD http://www.aprim.net/associates/turnbull.htm

Principal, International Institute for Self-governance

PO Box 266 Woollahra, Sydney, Australia 1350

Ph+612 9328 7466 Mobile 0418 222 378, Papers at:

http://ssrn.com/author=26239

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-homestead@cog.kent.edu [mailto:owner-homestead@cog.kent.edu] On Behalf Of John Médaille
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2005 9:33 AM
To: homestead@cog.kent.edu; homestead@cog.kent.edu
Subject: Re: HOMESTEAD: Ray Carey's Democratic Capitalism

 

At 06:21 PM 7/27/2005 -0400, Norman G. Kurland wrote:

>As I will point out, your analysis does not square with the facts.  The

>original owner was a hard-nosed businessman and his price was at the high

>end of what constituted a fair market price.  He got his money out of the

>business and invested it in other securities.   Market forces were at

>work.  Management, which was and still is first-rate, did not change at

>the time of sale.

 

So then, the stock was priced at seven times earnings. If you know of any

other stocks at that price, let me know.

 

>   The CEO retired several years ago with a nice ESOP distribution, and

> the former VP has been CEO for about 10 years.  The company had no

> pension plan at the time of sale.  With the company growing dynamically

> and a work force ten times the original team, the average 10-year

> employee has an ESOP account in the 6 figures.  What was key to the

> buyout was the application of Kelso's pure credit concept.  This

> company's history proves that, in the hands of good management, synergy

> is at work between the productiveness of capital and the productiveness

> of labor and capital pays for itself.

 

Yet, in 29 years, the price only tripled. That doesn't sound like good

results. It is certainly not 14%/annum.

 

>You can sneer at the model,

 

I sneer at nothing. I point at that tripling in value over the course of 29

years does not sound like good results. Does it sound good to you?

 

>but it works in the real world, as long as capital credit is accessible to

>workers with no reduction in their take-home incomes. (In fact, the labor

>incomes of Mid-South workers are at the high-end of their industry.)  No

>magic was involved.  Only the power of capital finance.  Had no-interest

>(i.e., service charge only) capital credit been available under section 13

>of the Federal Reserve Act, as advocated in our book Capital Homesteading

>for Every Citizen

>(http://www.cesj.org/publications/capitalhomesteading/whatif-flyer.pdf)

>and supported by Rodney Shakespeare, the loan would have been paid off

>much sooner.

 

Right, with taxpayer help.

 

 

John C. Médaille

 

"A dead thing can go with the stream...

but only a living thing can go against it."

         -G. K. Chesterton

http://www.medaille.com/distributivism.htm

john@medaille.com

 

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