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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] Re: HOMESTEAD: Ray Carey's Democratic Capitalism
>>> john@medaille.com 07/26/05 10:02 PM >>> The odd thing about "independent productiveness" is that, were it true, it would make employee ownership well-nigh impossible; the price of a share, assuming somebody would be willing to part with something so valuable, would be a thousand times what a worker earns. But then the whole problem of ESOPs is that they can only work as a re-distributive tool if the current owners are willing or compelled to dilute their ownership, that is, sell them below below market rates. If sold at market rates, than nothing is redistributed, only the form of ownership changes. The market is Pareto optimal, which is Italian for "nothing really changes." ------------------------------------------------------------------ For what it's worth, I've struggled with some of Kelso's theoretical constructs, and I believe that "independent productiveness" was a poor choice of terms. One of Kelso's main points in the Capitalist Manifesto was that the provision of financial capital to enterprises was an exercise of productive capability by the capital owner, i.e. capital assets are a mechanism by which the owner increases his/her productive capabilities. Thus, to the extent that workers and capital owners are both actively contributing to production, and (in the context of modern industry) neither could produce without the other, they are both "independently" productive. I think it was a worthwhile insight in the context of Kelso's discourses of the dangers of confiscatory government policy, but the terminology seems to have distorted the ensuing debate into one of whether we've reached the point of self-winding hurdy-gurdies, which kind of misses Kelso's original point. I think "independently exercised competences" might have matched his intent a bit better while being consistent with his overall terminology, but it's a bit clunky. I'll also point out that Kelso's original ESOP model did not entail anybody selling their assets below market value, becasue the ESOPs would have access to low cost capital credit through the Federal Reserve, allowing them to purchase the assets at a cost that would make it possible to repay the loans primarily through the earnings of the acquired assets. Since this has never to date been politically feasible, the legislative implementation of ESOPs in the US differs in several ways from the original proposal, which generally orients it towards government-incentivized voluntary redistribution of assets. Nevertheless, alternate formulations of ESOPs could eliminate the necessity of sub-market asset pricing, so it is important to distinguish between weaknesses in the actual implementation and inherent flaws in the original concept. David To subscribe to this or another of COG's discussion groups register at: http://cog.kent.edu/register.html To unsubscribe from this group send a message to majordomo@cog.kent.edu with a single line in the body of the message that says: unsubscribe homestead
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